The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast

Election night distraction edition: Gdansk, Tord, Money Match, Regi, 4.9K PTCGL & More!

• Brent Halliburton • Season 1 • Episode 196

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Abaan:

So we've got a few live

Brent:

It's election night coverage here at the Trashalanch. We are going to break it all down for people who are

Abaan:

I

Brent:

what could I listen to besides election results? You could listen to this. Uh, it's Trashalanch, only podcast about the Pokemon trading card game. Attendance is

Liam:

Giratina, Jolteon,

Brent:

Cam's here, Abad's here, Liam's here, I'm here, Brent,

Liam:

PTCGO,

Brent:

we're all on Twitter, uh, we're all on the only podcast about the Pokemon Trading Card Game. If you leave a 5 star review, we will read it on the pod. Go leave a review today so we can read it on the pod. That'd be awesome. Sorry we missed last week and the week before that. Is it like that, guys?

Abaan:

just show up when we want to, apparently. No commitment, no hustle,

Cameron:

We just

Liam:

Oh, oh.

Abaan:

like, uh, freeloaders.

Brent:

Yeah, I know every time I go to a tournament people are like, so when's Mike coming back? When's Mike coming back? And it do be like that, but like, we're doing the best we can to hold it together while he raises a small Pokemon player. All

Abaan:

excuses, bro. Mike has a whole ass kid, bro. We're just, like, disorganized.

Brent:

right, guys, let's, uh, uh, let's first start talking about, uh, how do you even pronounce the name of this place? Like, that's the problem with reading stuff, Gdansk?

Liam:

I'll

Brent:

Dansk? I don't know.

Liam:

that's

Brent:

Gansk?

Abaan:

right.

Liam:

I have.

Brent:

Um,

Liam:

I'm

Brent:

uh,

Liam:

to

Brent:

with the high level stuff, guys. Did you guys learn anything that you're like, oh my god, that was crazy?

Liam:

because it's a pretty good program. Yeah, TORS

Abaan:

MinimalDrawSupporters,

Liam:

list is perfect. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Abaan:

like as cracked as we thought it was in. I don't know. I don't know. I know it's cracked and I can see like the a lot of the big high level ideas of the Bouffalants, like having this 290 HP guy that you penny up and stuff is like lit and but I just I can't make it work for me. I think it's like a skill issue on my end like I, I currently cannot make the deck work for me and like uh I think I'm gonna put in like probably like 200 games before uh SAC and see if I like this deck.

Liam:

Yeah, I'm just granting games. I'm making so many mistakes. It's like multiple times I've done knock towel with no tarpa goes down. It's ah, but um.

Cameron:

That's just an

Liam:

I don't know. It's like, it's

Cameron:

bro.

Abaan:

like even the mess, the

Liam:

very weird. I like haven't, you know, because you kind of just conceptualize like the card is like a search too, and like there is like this initial condition, like kind of just assume you have it like a lot of the time, um, and like it's like a real thing that has to be built up of like checking that you like meet this like initial condition that doesn't like really affect how the card know?

Abaan:

think you notice it on turn one. It's like, the fact that you have a Terra in

Liam:

Yes,

Abaan:

like, many turns in a row, and then randomly you like, look at your board and you don't have one in play.

Liam:

Exactly, exactly that. Um, yeah, like on turn one, you're like very aware of whether or not you have the Toropagos, right? But like, yeah, sometimes you just get like Iona late game and then they kill your Tropigos and like all of a sudden like, don't have a Tropigos down and like sometimes you just forget that

Brent:

And,

Liam:

stuff. Yeah.

Abaan:

was when they realized, Wait, we can just stop benching all our, like, squishy guys and, like, start charming up and have 290 HP guys. Now these guys have the two boofs. Now we have two 290 HP guys. 290 HP is a crazy amount. Like, anything that can get to 290, it just starts, like, doing crazy work. Like, killing Pidgeot, people are doing it on the skin of their teeth. That lost impact? 280. Oh, you just got there. Congrats. It's out of, it's out of range. Like, we can't, we can't be hitting 290. And you can't Kelowna Boof. I, like, I wish you could do something, like, something cute. Like, oh, like, boss, Kelowna Boof, and then I, like, cure him or something. Nah. Like, then the bench won't still work it. Like,

Liam:

Yeah, yeah, exactly, mm hmm.

Abaan:

no, no,

Liam:

No, he lost me in Swiss, so I've been out. I think the banana matchup is really tricky. That's like, the one you have to fix, I think, going forward.

Abaan:

I don't know

Brent:

it seems like Binette is suddenly super popular. I saw, uh, what was it, like, Justin Basil had it, like, number 2 on his, like, popular decks list or something, and everybody was like, oh my god. That's not actually a thing, is it?

Cameron:

Liam, have you tested that deck? Like, how does that deck Abaddon and I are under, like, I think we're in agreeance here that that deck does not beat Regidrago. So, I

Liam:

is terrible. It's terrible. I, like, genuinely despise the deck. I think it's like, I don't know, I think, I think it's okay. You have like a solid, you can sometimes beat, like, Lugia. Yeah. Yeah.

Abaan:

it, which I guess you could argue, like, okay, then I have a 75 percent chance of, like, item locking, right, like, either I go first and I get the second flip,

Cameron:

all for joining us today, and we hope to see you all again soon.

Abaan:

you played Seismic Toad back in the day, which is like a comparison I've been thinking about a lot, and I was like, why is Seismic Toad so lit compared to this Banette deck? Seismic do, first of all had garba door in the, in like in the wings and had like laser and like hammers and like was really disrupting you. But net, it's like just Seismitoad. Nothing else.

Liam:

But, but that's it's like full gimmick mode, the size method also put on a lot more attacking pressure, like this like 30 damage is like, it's not doing anything, like it doesn't do anything, you, you like, they literally cannot be able to play the game ever if you're gonna win, right, like, they, they have to just stop playing completely you to beat them.

Abaan:

Dude, that deck, it's so gimmicky. I have to play where I wonder if I should play like Flute and Erika's. Because if you're not locking some random nonsense active and monkeying and gemstoning, you're not like, it's so bad. You can't leave an attacker active. Like, I think you, the reason they win so many games is like, like naturally you bench something, like trying to date, So like, on your non item lock turn, but if you like, have a, like a very like, energy driven hand, like, you can sometimes win by just like, sitting there and attaching, and knocking them out. Like, I don't

Liam:

no, I mean, agree. I think it's, question of how you want your Binette deck to, like, convert. Like, thing with building Binette is you have to like, have to do two things, which one, to, like, accomplish something consistently which is, like, somewhat contradictory, right? Like, um, It's, like, very hard, right, uh, to build something you always have to hit, like, you know, Binette active, turn two, energy attach, right? So, like, of a sudden you're getting asked to play, like, a bunch of energy so you can find it quickly, and stuff like that. Like, so, you know, You then have, and then beyond that, you also need like a secondary way to close the game out, right? Like, you don't just like instantly win once this is up, you need like a secondary way to close the game out, and in that sense it's really hard to add cards like Erika or Flute, while also keeping this Gardevoir package. Like, the Gardevoir package is the way that that closes games out right now, um, but like, you can't, you can't really do too much. Like, you have to try and do the minimal number of, or like, minimal things that you need to close games out, because consistency is like, so, so important for that deck, right? Like, any hit to your turn two banette, uh, percentage is like, directly cutting into your win rate, because you just get hooked you don't hit that thing.

Abaan:

about, like, how crazy was this cut? It was, like, one of, like, the most, like, Twilight Zone cuts I've ever seen. It had two Banettes, two Ironthorns, and then, like, two Draugos and, like, a Terapagos and, like, a One Storm Alex. And I thought, like, Ironthorn in this, like, I don't understand. Don't all of these deck lose to Draugo? And, like, I guess Draugo won the tournament. But like, it feels like we're in the weirdest Rock Paper Scissors format ever, where it's

Brent:

for joining us.

Abaan:

loses to Drago, and then, and then there's Drago, which beats, beats everything, and loses to Bull. But for some reason, because Bull sits like 15 percent of the room, Drago can't just be like, can't be all eight spots of top eight. You're just re like, you just see like the two or three Dragos that like, Got to dodge Bolt for the most part, like, and they're just like, that's top 8. I don't know, it's really, it's really odd. I don't even know how to, like, I've never, I don't, I feel like I've never seen anything like this before.

Cameron:

Hello, everyone.

Abaan:

Everything beats Bolt, like, everything in the whole room except Drago beats Bolt, but it's still the most played deck. I

Cameron:

And I even think, and I even think, like, Drago gets done a good percentage of the time, and that,

Liam:

Yeah,

Cameron:

the, it's worth matchup, I won't deny

Liam:

yeah, exactly, like,

Cameron:

make plays.

Liam:

you can still win if the bolt draws like somewhat Right.

Cameron:

Or doesn't flip heads on their catchers,

Liam:

Yeah.

Cameron:

like, ah, just force Clef or a

Abaan:

like,

Cameron:

Yeah.

Abaan:

They have to drill minimum one, and sometimes two.

Cameron:

No,

Abaan:

He's not playing the Noctowl line in favor of, like, 4th Vessel and I believe Hawlucha. Or no, 3rd

Cameron:

no, no, a third IO

Liam:

I like that. I know we were, I know Aban's a big fan of the Noctowl, but I don't know, I felt like mediocre about it. I think it's like,

Cameron:

and

Liam:

a power level increase. It's not really like a consistency card as much as it is like a power card, Like,

Abaan:

I agree with this completely.

Cameron:

you again very soon.

Abaan:

I like the Noctowl when you're playing all these, like, specific cards you want, like, Cologne, like, the weird stadiums, and then, like, on top of that, you can also grab, like, you can grab, like, Eswitch and a Prime, or Eswitch and Cologne, Eswitch and, like, the niche stadium that you need for that specific turn, and you're not V starring. And it's just, I don't know.

Liam:

like, yeah, I agree. I think, I think it makes the deck, like, a lot more powerful. In the games where you're able to, like, pull the Noctowl off, and, like, you know, it's not, like, uh, it's not, like, a terrible Noctowl, right? It's, like, you know, you're, you're actually, like, cooking, right? Like, you're hitting this Prime, and, like, you know, Noctowl plus, like, one of your, like, disruption cards, right? Like, the, one of the stadiums, or, like, the Cologne, or something like that, and, like, you're able to, like, pull those turns off. Like, the Noctowl's, like, really insane. But it's, like It feels like somewhat of like a mediocre like, you know, you get all these hands in the mid game where you like draw into one of the Noctowl pieces and it's just like, it doesn't do anything immediately, you and like, like, need pieces and you're drawing Noctowls, like, it's not that good.

Abaan:

I think the best argument against Noctowl is that this deck, this is like something I bring up maybe like three times a week, but like this deck is like the biggest Cleffa deck to ever exist. Like you're just Cleffa ing like every other game, like single game you're like trying to pivot into this Cleffa somehow and like using it on turn one. If, if you don't start Radzart, like you're probably going to Cleffa, and so when you Cleffa and you have the Hoo Hoo down, like your board has like serious like structural issues, right? And like.

Liam:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's also some like prize, prize issues with that, but, yeah, I mean, yeah.

Abaan:

The Noctowl's most insane, I think, when you're going first. When you go first, and you just have like a normal hand, you're like attached to your Drago, tail dance once, and like bend your hoo hoo. And you're like, gonna turn to clean quality with this Noctowl.

Liam:

are crazy, right? Where you get Ogre Pawn, Drago, Energy, and the Hoot Hoot down. like on lock to absolutely run them over, right?

Cameron:

it up. I go through the motions for a turn if you want, but, uh,

Abaan:

And it

Liam:

Yeah,

Abaan:

sounds

Cameron:

dominating you next round.

Abaan:

like, there's a lot of combinations and permutations that is that hand, right? Like, it's like, it's like a nest ball, like, in a vessel away from, like, you know?

Liam:

yeah. And I, think it, it gives the deck like somewhat of an edge, right? Like, sense that the deck can feel like, like if you imagine the deck without this Noctowl, it's like incredibly linear, right? And like, you're very much at the like, mercy of the draw order.

Abaan:

ish when you're playing without Noctowl. Like, I don't want to go that far, but it feels like

Cameron:

yeah,

Abaan:

Lugia ish, where you're

Liam:

Yeah,

Abaan:

I draw, like, the energies and the E switches, I hope this all, like, comes together. And, like, Noctowl, like, lets you transcend this, right? Like, it lets you go, like, backwards and forwards, like, trans like, time travel a little bit, like, a little front, a little back, you know, you can do whatever you want.

Liam:

yeah.

Cameron:

know, that's what I was thinking, like, I thought the Noctowl like, totally unnecessary for the longest time, and then, got more and more games with it, and I just started to realize, like, this, like, you just do so much, and I'm not trying to, like, um, Like, this prop was extremely easy. I'm not gonna, like, flaunt it out, but, like, I think Avon was, like, ending games two turns.

Abaan:

I have it written down, but basically my opponents played an average of like two and a half turns over the course of a full turn of a full cup.

Liam:

Yeah,

Cameron:

Um, and I think it's just like, and then people, they were like, oh yeah, I just, like, I, I, yeah, they were saying, oh, we're not playing Drago, because it just doesn't work for way it works for you and Cameron, when I heard someone that to a bot, and in my mind, I was like, I don't know, this Noctowl card's pretty crazy, and it worked for me for this Noctowl

Liam:

Yeah, I mean, that's just, it's

Abaan:

one. I'm not kidding. Like. Watch.

Cameron:

That's it.

Abaan:

Next split.

Liam:

just so, so, like, this Dragapult card is like, anything that spreads damage to the counter, the bench like that, it's just disgusting, bro. Like.

Abaan:

It's

Cameron:

a friend,

Abaan:

you can't actually play Dragonfall because the fact that you can just like seamlessly pivot into Tina and Kiram without like breaking a sweat with the same attacker is just crazy. Like, oh my goodness.

Cameron:

yeah,

Liam:

Yeah, I mean, it has a lot right? Like,

Cameron:

this,

Liam:

synergizes with everything. You just set everything up perfectly, and like, you know, like, power attacks like that are, you're able to get like, full value out of, right?

Abaan:

and Dwyane

Cameron:

this, this, this,

Liam:

I don't think, I don't think Dragon Pulse is all that bad, just like, as a zone attacker, you know, I think it's, um, you can win a lot of games by just spamming the Pulse attack,

Abaan:

Cleveland before he went to the Heat, bro.

Liam:

literally.

Brent:

So, so, I, I mean, I hear that you're digging Noctowl, but, like, it was, were the results not just incontrovertible proof that, like, this is the 60?

Cameron:

No, mean,

Abaan:

didn't James Cox win last week with Noctowl and like, and

Cameron:

I, it's just two, two lists that, like, and it's not even that crazy of a difference. It's a

Liam:

Yeah, I think,

Cameron:

line, and it's like, the people who are on that are definitely on that, and, you can see that, list of results amassing under the, the Ing Bradner list, Unlimited list, and then you have this secondary list, which is like, fourth vessel for added discard, plus X card, whatever you want it to be, likely an Iono. Um,

Brent:

Cagli is a super good player, but I feel like, like, it seems like he shows up at tournaments with this list, he, uh, absolutely wrecks the tournament.

Cameron:

I think that's

Brent:

He's gotta care for something.

Cameron:

see the, you good players who are playing Draco. It's kind of, that's just

Liam:

yeah, and I mean, that

Brent:

Yeah, right? Yeah.

Liam:

Like, even without the Noctowl, it's definitely good still. It's not like he's, like, playing a super bad list, even if Noctowl ends up being, like, optimal, right? Yeah,

Abaan:

the Noctowl and put, like, Hawlucha and, like, something else gimmicky in there, it wouldn't work. He added, like, 4th Vessel, 3rd Ioto. Those are great cards.

Cameron:

It's great

Abaan:

those are, like, 61st and

Cameron:

You're swapping great cards for great

Abaan:

exactly. So,

Liam:

Yeah. Yeah.

Cameron:

yeah. And I think, like, KeanuMeanie hit me up, like, after Draco won, and he just said, said was, Draco might be too strong, and I think is, like, in the hands of a great player, it's too easy to overpower everything else. Um,

Abaan:

Bolt. Except this Bolt deck. Sometimes, like, it's not in your hands when you play against Bolt. You sit down against

Cameron:

yeah, it's, it's, it's a coin flip. Yeah, just gotta pray here, and just watch it happen, and hopefully it goes my

Liam:

It's the, it's the Dragapult attack bro, Dragapult is too strong right now, like, some, like, because,

Abaan:

basic is on notice, bro. It's crazy

Liam:

We're like, dodging the Fez too, like, even in like we had with the Greninja, the Greninja Pidgeot whatever, like basically Functionally Charizard, like just like, they dragapult in the of the game and like, you know, they didn't proc the Fez, but like all of a sudden, like, everything is about to die, and like, next turn, it's like, you know, it's, there's like, there's like, nothing you can do about bro.

Abaan:

think I'm not doing that deck justice, uh, but I agree that there's like,

Cameron:

think we're good, Jadak. Yeah,

Abaan:

need to, like, readjust to the real world and play some, uh, play some other stuff a little bit, like, remember how to play Pokemon. Like, I'm, like, super Drago filled right now. I don't know, maybe that just means I should just play Drago to the next major, and, like keep

Cameron:

very much for

Liam:

Yeah.

Brent:

all this begs the question, uh, how do you guys think about, is Sacramento next for all you guys?

Abaan:

Yes.

Cameron:

I'm going to LAIC, but

Liam:

Bro! Bro! Bro!

Cameron:

couple names underneath it? Yeah, one.

Abaan:

Yeah, the Cameron Chenoy list.

Cameron:

No, that's say it's my list, but you know, I'm just of the, one it.

Abaan:

Chenoy got our names on the Legendary Limitless page. I got my name on the Henry Chow Gardy page. I'm the biggest bum on there, bro. 89. Oh my goodness, bro. Out of the blue, bro, Liam just had to hit me with that. Like, I was just having a nice day, like, on my bed, and then, uh, Liam's like, Hey, bro, on this, like, limitless page, you're the only you're, like, the worst placement. I'm like, what the hell?

Liam:

I

Brent:

Is there anything in Surging Sparks besides 5, 000 A Specs?

Abaan:

Yes, there is, uh, two important cards. We got Kanagane, we got Pikachu EX. Oh, and we got Togekiss. I like that card too. The

Liam:

mean, I don't think that's terrible. It might be good in Tropicus, but I don't think that's terrible.

Cameron:

this, this, you just don't, dude, Togekiss so great. If I play Togekiss, there's like a decent chance that I get, like, event from, like, off and saying something egregious after Togekiss at the end of the game, like. It's already, it's already, it's already, it's already happened, like, happened at tabletop where I just, like, pop the second I see the even number.

Abaan:

Ian Robb Sully unironically like every round after hitting this Togekiss. just a dice roll. a dice roll.

Cameron:

but I'll be actually rolling dice in my head.

Liam:

No,

Abaan:

If I just drill one of these in two, I win the game.

Cameron:

Like, flip one head. heads

Liam:

not

Cameron:

to three flips

Liam:

that, bro,

Cameron:

changes

Liam:

it's about the cost required to get it up, you have to find a stage 2, bro, and then once you get a stage 2 up, you get a coin flip for like an okay effect, like, obviously taking another prize is good, but like, there's nothing instantly when they can't. Right? Like,

Abaan:

It's

Liam:

it's like, like everything else has to be going right too. You have to, you have to get a stage two up, everything else has to go right, and then you have to flip heads. Like, to, uh,

Brent:

why I play it with Lugia. I just get out one Archeops and then Toshkiss.

Cameron:

just, no, no, like, it's psychic, it's

Liam:

But, I mean,

Abaan:

I would like that, that would be

Liam:

if we go up,

Abaan:

Psychic Guy.

Cameron:

It'll be kind of down, but

Liam:

yeah. Uh,

Brent:

I've said a million times that I'm so sad that Lugia is not like a box deck thing where you like play a whole bunch of different stage twos and have fun instead of this like parasitic thing that they just fed you and they're like there's only one way to do it right, dummy.

Abaan:

Cameron,

Brent:

But there you go.

Abaan:

I was thinking about is maybe we should play Jock in our list.

Cameron:

yeah, I, I could see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Abaan:

think it's really good. Yeah.

Cameron:

I could see that. Um,

Abaan:

and your Pidgeot in one go.

Cameron:

I, the one thing, And

Abaan:

Ha

Cameron:

we were talking it last like, the whole rise of this Bouffalant, very tanky, like, it's very hard to remove everything else on the board, and then you just have this Togekiss that's sitting there, that, like, Abaddon, mentioned, it is kind of untargetable, uh, once it's up, cause you're just like, I like,

Liam:

Yeah, the format's now for it, right? You can't just go for it.

Cameron:

too fast, but then gonna go like, am I really gonna target down the thing thing that a chance at an extra prize, like we're even sure? Like,

Liam:

yeah.

Cameron:

hitting the,

Abaan:

they do that,

Cameron:

hitting the

Abaan:

hit that Thorn Candy Stretcher. It's over. We right back there. We right back where we started.

Cameron:

one prize, I'm flipping for an extra one.

Brent:

right, so what, what else is happening with, uh, Surging Sparks? How, like, is, is,

Liam:

today,

Brent:

Conte came to Sacramento, does he just win that, or, or what, what changes?

Liam:

you next time.

Abaan:

I don't know if I'm playing Drago, but like,

Cameron:

Oh,

Abaan:

I think that, like, I've seen enough good players mess up on stream. Honestly, once I saw Tord do it, I was like, okay, maybe the stream thing is different, bro. Like, like,

Liam:

Yeah, bro, you haven't been on straight away, have you? Uh,

Abaan:

Alberta's like a mirror fiend, but uh, Pal 4 was a little gross. So gross.

Liam:

all for joining us today, and I look forward to seeing you all again soon.

Cameron:

we're playing two Pikachu because we think that's the whole reason it's the deck is good because it gives you a chance to one shot the Reggie Drago. and I like it. It just

Liam:

right over here, please. Okay, so, um, successfully, uh, uh, the uh, the delivery of words and that's uh, it's a, an array of, uh, uh, resources, uh, two dimensional tools, uh, to hook up to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, very much. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Cameron:

and could easily add Cologne. And, uh, Raging Bolt has Slytherwing. But, unless you're one of those three decks, um, you know, luck. Good luck dealing with

Liam:

I don't think, I don't think the right way to tackle Pikachu is by trying to brute force your way through the ability. I think, I think the Drago answer to Pikachu is Dragapult. Like, you just, just hit it, then rip the Iono,

Abaan:

Kyurem.

Liam:

and they lose.

Abaan:

you have Dragapult, like, exactly, because the Pikachu loses the energy anyways, so like, why do we need to one shot it back? Like,

Liam:

Yeah.

Abaan:

a

Liam:

You need to attack the Dragonite, Like,

Abaan:

but

Liam:

the weak point.

Abaan:

Bolt kind of does need to one shot the Pikachu back, because like, otherwise, like,

Liam:

Yeah, both is too linear, Like, there's different parts of the form. Sure, I mean, that makes sense. I mean, it's this massive I don't know what to do.

Abaan:

yeah, so I don't even think there's no like answer from the Bolt side like literally you like sit down and you like Just like ask your opponent like how good are you at Lost Blood? You play the second floor? They're like, yeah, and then you sign a slip unless unless you're MD Somehow you lose out on stream. Stream is different bro, stream is different. Stream is, I've come, I've come around to it I will no longer play people with their stream performances because that's just different. That's a whole different thing. Ah, I'm like

Liam:

Yeah, bro, you gotta get some new life in the stream, bro, it's hard, it's uh, it's real hard. Um.

Cameron:

So maybe Drago has the built in answer, but like, there's a lot of other cool decks that we've been trying that we think are, like, Like interesting, like, uh, ar ludon or aldon, however the heck you say that.

Liam:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Cameron:

thing, it just, once it gets going, you're just like, bang, two 30 unturned to

Abaan:

the

Liam:

That's the crew that just came in. We're going to do a little bit of a Q& A, and then we'll have a Q& A, and then I'll have a Q& A, and then we'll have a Q& A. So, I'm going to go ahead and kick it off with So, I'm going to start with a question from the audience. It's about Bye bye.

Abaan:

going to

Cameron:

does to these other decks that, like, I think,

Abaan:

here. First

Cameron:

like, has a lot of things going for it. It just doesn't have that.

Abaan:

uh, Um,

Cameron:

A great answer to Pikachu. I think we will eventually come up with one. Um, people

Liam:

Yeah, you need to be able to do tricks, right? Like, you have to, you have to be able to, like, finish things, like, not take a knockout and still stay on course to, like, win the game, right? Yeah,

Cameron:

Arcaladon can maybe go above 300 and then they have to play Gravity Mountain, which we've kind of pivoted away from just for the consistency of Pokestop,

Abaan:

have

Cameron:

is exploitable, right, by maybe some of the Stage 2 decks. I find It actually to be, if the person knows that they're not playing Gravity Mountain, uh, the Stage 2 deck can do some, can do some tricks on you, if you're not

Liam:

yeah, for sure, which is, like, a typical boss fight. for joining us for this evening's event.

Abaan:

you're. Prime picture GOAT, he fought it out, because that's how it works, bro, like, you play this prime picture list, you sound like a

Liam:

all for joining us today, and we hope to see you all again in the future.

Abaan:

like, they're gonna take two for free, not Staropagos you can win anyways, because they can't hit the 260 number that cleanly, but the point is, like, I'm spending so many of my games praying I don't start Palkia, that I decided, like, what if I just cut it, and uh, I'm just trying to work us.

Liam:

Thank you very

Abaan:

when you

Liam:

much.

Abaan:

helped you like

Liam:

goes around, comes around right, know the rules, take the facts, not the metaphors. As you've seen, at the same time, what has happened, happened, happened. The best, probably, tough decision you'll make about it will be to stay, stay, stay, survive.

Abaan:

So, we're gonna collect, he's still good, yeah. So just try the world's list, cut the Palkia, cut some other cards, a more streamlined.

Cameron:

Uh, so something I should mention that we tried in Goldango, we tried in a couple decks, um,

Liam:

And that's a video to help you, to help you, to watch this video, to watch this video, to watch this video, to watch this video, to watch this video. Sometimes, I think, I am too young to be thinking about what I am doing. So here I am, so, I am going to start off with a short introduction to this video, which is Cirque du Soleil.

Cameron:

it's obviously good to just like, gust for an item. Um, it is like, a pretty significant package. Um, to like,

Liam:

And we're on to the next thing. And I'm going to play you a little bit of that. I'm going to play you the first

Brent:

So you're saying it's a B package? I'm hearing you say it's not that good, but, like, it could be good if there were bad cards only.

Liam:

and we'll see you next time.

Cameron:

we said is like, it's five cards, and you can't really prize the Meowstic, or you lose that all together. And

Liam:

all for joining us today, and we hope to see you again very soon.

Abaan:

this Esper package. First of all,

Liam:

very much for having me. for having me. Mmm, a little bit of those notes. I can't do anything else. I'm done. I'm done right now. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done and done and done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. And never to be recorded. I'm done. I'm done. It's as as done. All that's left of it. Are you doing the

Abaan:

there's like, a lot of like, fundamental issues with, uh, with that, with this Meowstic line. But it seemed good to me, because I, we have Hyper Aroma already, but turns out you want Hyper Aroma for three dangos. You do not want to be having two dangos and a Meowstic.

Liam:

Oh, dude, how does, how does cold den go, like, your bolt magic gets a lot worse when they have Slitherwing now, right?

Abaan:

Um,

Liam:

mean,

Abaan:

just playing more Gust. I have the

Liam:

yeah,

Abaan:

so now I'm

Liam:

if you have CC, you should be like on lock, right, but, yeah, I mean,

Cameron:

Um, Togi Kiss card

Abaan:

key, too, right? So it's not all bad.

Cameron:

I, I in Japan, I also saw in Japan that a, uh, a gold dangle list play this Togi kiss card that we talked about earlier. And so basically you're, you're probably trading the coin flip of, of Pokemon catcher for the coin flip of Togi kiss take extra prizes.

Abaan:

two coins and we need a heads! But like, this time it's like ten

Cameron:

Is

Liam:

pretty good, bro. yeah, exactly. You're doing it at like the end of your turn, right? It's not just like her in the middle and like maybe I'm gonna do more stuff and like

Abaan:

yeah,

Liam:

again. Yeah, dude, I need this one. Nice.

Cameron:

it good? Maybe not, but it's funny as heck.

Abaan:

love the Japanese though, that's like, only something come up with, like, I would never jam a togekiss in my Danko deck. so funny.

Cameron:

It's, it's ADP on a coin flip that you don't have to stop, you know, a turn actually like attack and do it.

Abaan:

boss, you probably think this Togakiss card is like, Togakiss card is like, insane. Like, that's why Shinoi's like, I think it's like, good. I think it's alright. Shinoi, like, literally was sitting there, playing against himself, bro. I watched this with my own two eyes, bro. He was sitting there playing against himself, and he's like, what am I playing against? Drago. Flips his heads. He goes, I'll take three! And like, I, in that moment, it was locked. We're playing, he's playing Togekiss for life, bro. That was the

Cameron:

I know,

Liam:

all for joining us today, and we hope to see you all again soon. And that's it.

Cameron:

sparks. Yeah, no, this card's ridiculous, dude, but Only a few flip heads. Yes, bro, yes. The hard part is spitting it. No. Please.

Abaan:

think

Liam:

yeah, exactly like I said. It's like somewhat able to replace like getting like a Duskner out like you have a lot of games where you get this like early Duskner right you go like pop in for Fan Rotom Duskull and then Fan Rotom set up and then like you have access to this turn 2 Duskner but like the turn 2 Duskner pop isn't very good right like you kind of going one for one and you're not walking them into Briar, like, so you end up kind of just like sitting on this Duskner the whole game. If that Duskner is instead like a Togekiss, I can see how that's like, powerful.

Abaan:

And then, and then later in the game, you just pop it for two dus holes. When you need to proc one and like the, like the dus goal is like a turn two to three play. Anyways, in my like experience with the deck,

Liam:

think you'd cut one of the Duskulls to make space for this Togekiss, but like, I don't think you would. No. No.

Abaan:

0 1 toga kiss line. I, probably would play it in tropical if I was actually like. It's, it's gonna be one of the first things I try on ladder. Like, uh, is it live right now, SearchingSparks? I was like, get a look. Is it tomorrow or when does it go live?

Liam:

I think it probably comes out at the end of this ladder period.

Cameron:

Yeah. I think it's another day or

Liam:

days. Two days.

Cameron:

it's another day or two, uh, yeah, give ELO ladder update.

Liam:

I'm at, uh, I'm at 49 20. We're cut.

Cameron:

my gosh, I would be, Brent, oh, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,

Brent:

Oh my god, I'm looking forward to seeing the spreadsheet guys, what can I say, you know, whatever it takes to make the pod great, I'm willing to make that sacrifice, and if that means sacrificing my child, so be it. That's what we're willing to do for you people.

Abaan:

his whole child for the pod, bro.

Liam:

No, the bro. Bye.

Abaan:

I was pretty good. You

Cameron:

I've,

Abaan:

my ELO.

Cameron:

that, I've sent that 24 20. I'm feeling like, man, I spent too much time on life

Abaan:

Yeah. How can you have double my ELO? I thought I was playing this game a disgusting amount. Like,

Liam:

Yeah, bro.

Abaan:

bro?

Liam:

I'm bro. That's something that hit me, too. I was like, you know, like, all these people are like, bro, I have like 2, 000 or something. I'm like, 2, 000, bro.

Cameron:

2000, right?

Liam:

mean,

Brent:

2000! Do you even play? Do you even play? Yeah, you can filthy casual.

Liam:

yeah, I'm like, you're up like 40 wins, bro. 40 wins.

Abaan:

I think there has to be a critical mass where you are officially bad at the game for having too much ELO. I'm, I don't want to say anything like you may have reached that critical mass,

Liam:

Dude, I definitely, oh my god.

Abaan:

a very respectable

Cameron:

wonder where, I wonder

Liam:

No, man.

Cameron:

leaderboard. Is there like leaderboard where we can

Liam:

dude, I.

Cameron:

place?

Liam:

There's literally no, there's nobody else that like, even above like 3, 000, like, you

Cameron:

in a thousand points than me! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Liam:

this is like, it's possible, but like, no, like, genuinely, is like, dude, this one was this one was

Brent:

all for joining us today, and we hope to see you again in the next few days or so.

Liam:

I know, I know, I know

Abaan:

even know what to tell you,

Liam:

what

Abaan:

Like

Liam:

said, bro.

Abaan:

it's, it's

Liam:

I, I know I, but I mean, like, it's not really about that. It's like, know, long term

Abaan:

aura.

Liam:

it's, it's long term, right? Like,

Abaan:

Long

Liam:

know,

Cameron:

Yes,

Liam:

not like, you know, show up to work one day and then like, boom. The next day you get like pay raise, right? Like it's, uh. You know, show up every single day, for and years and years, and pay it off, right?

Brent:

Even, even Rahul has a bad tournament from time to time, guys.

Cameron:

Yes, Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Abaan:

Yes, that's a great point.

Liam:

Yeah, it was, you know.

Cameron:

mean, outside of those three cards, right, do you think any, does either of you think anything's like great? I think there's like a, Countergain. Countergain's very good, but I just don't think there's that many good attackers

Abaan:

list.

Cameron:

or good uses.

Liam:

I know, it's not, it doesn't lean into the counter game heavily enough, there's no reason for us to be playing, like, so many missed energy, I think, like, I feel like,

Cameron:

I'm

Liam:

right? Like, we should just be counter game, Ogre Pond counter game all while, like, we should Over and over and over, right?

Cameron:

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm

Liam:

Like, we can, we can ARVN for energies now. There's, like, no reason for us to put, put so much stress on, like, trying to find the energy.

Abaan:

needs

Cameron:

I'm

Abaan:

bro. Like, I am not losing to these bulls with bundles, bro. Like, these bulls, they, like, they're sucking on their thumb. I want to be owning them.

Liam:

Yeah, I think, think you can go, I think you can go two Mimmy, two Mimmy, one Mawile, and then no Stretcher, and I think it's okay. Like, think access to a second, having access to the second Mimikyu raw is, like, an important part of being able to cut the Stretcher.

Abaan:

don't care about the stretcher card. I just want more recursion of my Thorin and Rosannes. Like, I would be down for no stretcher, third pad, Rosannes, and Thorin, no Syleen. I think that's that's an acceptable amount of recovery. pad along with all these other egregious cuts you're always suggesting is crazy. We need that third pad in there, please bro, please. Like I was getting it done but I felt like I was on the verge of not getting it done and like I know that shouldn't matter like you don't want to you want to be winning it's okay for like not it's

Liam:

You, you felt like you needed

Brent:

So,

Liam:

were like 80 cards, this wouldn't be enough, but like, who cares, we're not playing an 80 card deck, like, just play 60, bro, and this is like, always enough, like, no matter what the 60 is.

Cameron:

All right, so they think Countergain's getting control, um, which figured it out quite yet, but outside of control, I don't, I it hard,

Abaan:

The thing about Control, though, is even without figuring it out, you still own, like, so much of the meta, and then every,

Cameron:

yeah.

Abaan:

you figure out a little bit more, you just, like, own

Liam:

all for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing you all again next year.

Abaan:

like, would like to sit in a vacuum chamber and think about everything and test everything for hours and hours and hours, like, Liam's attempting that, I guess, but like, the rest of us, like, we have to like, go to class, do these things, like, I don't know, life, like, you know, like, do laundry, et cetera, et cetera, and then you just don't have time to like, muse every control angle, you know, and then you get distracted, you play Draugr for a couple weeks, like, then all of a sudden the tournament's here, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's crunch time, bro, you gotta turn in a list, so, that's how you, that's how you do, like,

Cameron:

All right, outside of the addition of countergain, which has applications in control, like obviously to use bear, to use all these other attackers for an energy lust, which enables like these three energy attackers. then maybe Control, didn't have access to in one turn before, like Goofalot. but I think the other attackers, like back when Counter Gain, I think the first time it was legal, and it was like really, really good in that format, there was a lot of single energy, like type energy plus colorless energy attackers. Um, so two energy attackers, and I don't feel like there are a lot of good two energy attackers right now.

Liam:

I, I think there might be, I think we, yeah, we, we have to look into this. I think, I,

Abaan:

all

Liam:

stuff like Raiku comes to mind. Like, you can just, like, blow up a Pidgeot,

Abaan:

and

Liam:

Gain CC.

Abaan:

hope to

Liam:

maybe in, like, Entei, like, um, those guys are obviously, like, the, like,

Abaan:

soon.

Liam:

colorless attackers.

Cameron:

the premiere ones,

Liam:

Yeah. like, I mean, there's definitely stuff, like, this is something that has to be examined.

Abaan:

saying yeah, exactly. I don't feel confident saying that that doesn't exist in this format because I don't know this format, like, the back of my hand, you know, like, I think, like,

Cameron:

Yeah.

Abaan:

assignment that I should just get around to doing and, like, uh, being thorough. I I

Liam:

I think

Abaan:

I just haven't done my due diligence, right?

Liam:

the other thing that's really good for countergain is that it exists in the same format as Arven, like,

Abaan:

Oh,

Liam:

I think that

Abaan:

you

Liam:

combination is just, like, incredibly strong. I, like, like, a deck that doesn't take prizes very aggressively is going to be able to use the countergain a lot more and it's harder for decks that are aggressively taking prizes, but like, um, you know, I think that beyond just, like, control centric decks, there should be, there should be other stuff that's able to utilize this, like, Arven countergain combo. Um, Yoshiyuki was playing it in Slacking EX on his, uh, on his YouTube, and it looked, uh, it looked pretty good.

Abaan:

radzard for one energy on three prizes with this countergame?

Liam:

mm

Abaan:

that must be insane, like, I'm like, literally like the lowest hanging fruit, like the cards that already exist, that are very prevalent, that already even say reduce the cost, and I'm like, do that thing, plus one more, like, I can't imagine that it's like, not much more creative and better applications

Liam:

hmm. Yeah, I think that card's gonna be insane. What is this? Are

Abaan:

the turnaround is so fast, and at first I thought this was a huge advantage for people who work on LAIC, which it is, but one annoying thing is that the format is not going to be developed by the people going, so like, you kind of need to play with the best, like, either like, beatstick, or like, very well thought out control, but like, the point is like, it Like, you gotta use the fact that you have the new cards and they don't, and like, that's like your big edge, right? Cause like, they're not gonna be playing like, unrefined versions of new decks. They're everyone else who is like, going to LAIC, or like, don't really know what to do, they're just gonna be

Liam:

we playing Drago, bro? No!

Abaan:

They're all just playing Draugr with like, no cuts, or they're playing Bolts, playing like not like you're gonna go to a tournament where you get to be like My testing group has, like, this lost beacon list that's, like, unrefined, right? And we beat that with this, like, other deck we're playing. They're not on that level yet. They're just playing, like, what they were playing, like, last week, bro. Like, they didn't

Liam:

is,

Abaan:

the sleeves, like,

Liam:

this is like the genius of Tord, bro. Like, know, that's like the only guy that I think, I don't think he's doing NAIC. Like, if you said one week turnaround, I'll say he's gonna make the best list ever, bro. He only needs, he only needs five minutes. It's

Abaan:

how it's

Liam:

crazy,

Abaan:

possible that my statement could have, like, related to TORID. I actually could have sat in a room for an hour and, like, not been able to tell you how Liam was going to turn that into a TORID statement,

Liam:

Yeah, I knew Obama was gonna say something, but I had to get that off my chest, bro. All right.

Cameron:

don't. I don't.

Abaan:

that was a crazy trick, bro. That was an Olympic gymnast performance on it, bro.

Cameron:

What I will say is, I don't think it'll be that hard this time, like, I'm gonna show up to LAIC with this, uh, really sick Reggie Drago deck that I think is gonna be, like, one of the best lists in the room, and then,

Liam:

Yeah, I

Cameron:

heh.

Abaan:

of them and they're all like

Cameron:

No, no,

Brent:

what, what's the over under on, on like, uh, what's Tord does whatever at LAIC and then Liam says, trust in Tord.

Abaan:

He's not going to LAC. He,

Cameron:

no, he's not going to LAC.

Abaan:

last

Brent:

Oh, oh,

Abaan:

boycotting.

Cameron:

he's, he's,

Brent:

board with boycotting LAIC.

Liam:

his aura is unmatched, like, you can feel his

Cameron:

Oh my god.

Liam:

of room, it's like, palpable,

Cameron:

I could press this in the real way now, but this guy did that.

Liam:

like, tell that he's not there when you're, when you're at LA. I see.

Brent:

It's just a weight that's going to hang over all those people. When the guy wins that tournament, it's going to have an asterisk.

Abaan:

I

Liam:

Yeah?

Abaan:

cancelled my

Liam:

Can you help me?

Abaan:

after, after finding out Tord was not going. I'm not going either. I refuse to go.

Brent:

mean, it's not a real victory for you to go and win.

Liam:

bro.

Brent:

Thanks for coming. Happy to answer any questions that you may have. Thanks for coming, and enjoy the rest of your day. Bye bye. Bye.

Liam:

Tord just got second, bro. And like, for any other player, this is like, oh god, bro, like, you know, top cut, like, this is crazy. For Tord, he's like underperforming. This is crazy work! He's so good! Like,

Abaan:

I think, to an extent, the fact that he, um, he threw in finals is like kind of killing the hype a bit. A little bit. Like, I don't hold it against him. Stream is different. We've established that now. But,

Cameron:

it's,

Abaan:

killing the aura a little bit.

Cameron:

yeah, hurts a little bit that the last one was like a, a, a pretty, a pretty

Abaan:

aura, like a game defining

Liam:

I agree a little bit, but I think, at

Cameron:

it's an easy mistake to make in the

Brent:

I

Liam:

ooh,

Abaan:

I don't want to I thought I could see it coming. I can actually feel it coming for a while away, like no hindsight. But I also see a lot of mistakes that don't end up happening advance. This is a potential mistake, and they don't make it. I'm like, okay, that's normal. So. A broken clock is like, right, like, twice a day, whatever. But the thing is, like, when any pleb can see a mistake, just some bum, like, is watching the game, is like, oh, he made a mistake here, and then can point it out. Like, I talked to, like, Bradner, for example, about, like, one of Rahul's, like, earlier series. Like, I was, like, I was asking Bradner, like, uh, you know, like, Rahul, like, not winning. Is it choking, or, like, bad matchups, or what? Because I didn't follow the game that closely, right? And he was telling me, like, how Rahul, like, threw a final three times. But, like, it was, like, subtle stuff, you know? Like, stuff that, like You know, like, it's not obvious to anyone. And, like,

Liam:

Only Bradners.

Abaan:

players can be like, he's like a, oh, he's sold three times, like, ha ha ha. But if, like, any of those mistakes were, like, in your face bad, then, like, it's, like, just more talked about. It's, like, a different level of mistake, like, and, and it shouldn't be a different level of mistake in terms of,

Liam:

I, I, I agree, but I think it's

Abaan:

but

Liam:

Yeah, I mean, no glaze, but I think it's, I think it's, uh, both things can be true. I think that, like, you know, people are probably, like, uh, discrediting the result more finals, but also, like, they wouldn't give him credit for a second place anyways. I think. Yeah.

Abaan:

agree with this. So, fair enough.

Cameron:

Well, it's hard, it's pull Ding thing and it's showing his results and it's like three wins and

Liam:

Yeah. Dude,

Cameron:

oh

Liam:

see that.

Cameron:

there's a there's a bunch of other ICs he's won and a bunch other regions he's won we top four.

Abaan:

Yes, when

Liam:

Exactly, bro.

Abaan:

to fill up the page, you do, you, like, no regional win can be that sick.

Liam:

Yeah.

Abaan:

Yeah,

Liam:

Oh, I,

Abaan:

Tord, we all know this, like, I'm just saying, like, it's a factor. The fact that he, like, messed up, like, in an obvious way is a factor for why it's not as talked about,

Liam:

Yeah,

Abaan:

well.

Liam:

I don't know, I just, you know, I'm always one, like, uh, like same with LeBron, right? Like, chance to, like, witness greatness, like, you shouldn't, uh, you shouldn't take it for granted. It's, um, it's an incredible thing,

Abaan:

Do you think it's like a coincidence that like all these people you think are so great are like specifically of our generation? Is it possible that like, every generation

Cameron:

This meme grew up in the greatest generation of all time.

Liam:

No, no, yeah, yeah,

Abaan:

we got a voice when distorted, bro. Do you think like,

Liam:

no, I,

Abaan:

you'd be saying all that?

Liam:

that's completely valid. It's completely valid. Like, what's wrong that? No.

Brent:

I think it's easy to say, like, Jordan and LeBron are the greatest two of all time. And, and Bill Russell is like, uh, you know, top five, top ten guy, right?

Abaan:

point is that if Liam was like, his age now in that era, he'd be saying the same exact thing. It doesn't matter. He's just, whoever he sees on TV, that's the greatest guy, bro. That's,

Brent:

Yeah, uh, I think, I think, uh, you know, the good news is, Pokémon's not 200 years old, like, uh, you know, there are, there are good players that are, like, still playing the game actively that, like, saw Jason Klesinski do the thing, and I think everybody agrees Jason Klesinski is either the first or second best player ever. And Tord is the other guy.

Liam:

you would think it's 200 years old, bro, and you'd think he'd be around this whole time, so, uh,

Abaan:

dude leave, he's been around since I like, I remember him like top 16ing Worlds or whatever when I was a kid bro like he's been doing this shit forever like it's

Liam:

I don't know.

Abaan:

we've been on some kind of generational run recently he's like

Liam:

Bro, yeah,

Abaan:

like, You

Liam:

I, I'm aware, bro, I'm, I'm fully aware, like, this is, uh, it's years and years and years of experience, right, and that's, that's what it takes to,

Brent:

Yeah,

Liam:

like that, bro.

Brent:

yeah, well, like, Jason Kaczynski won the world three times, and everybody was like, you know, the national championships, the thing that eluded him, and then he won that too, like, yeah, you I,

Abaan:

by the way, so sick. Insane. I

Brent:

was a great, that was a great tournament.

Abaan:

I can never stop thinking about that. no, no.

Brent:

was absolutely great, that's,

Abaan:

of it or anything, it's just like, it was like an unwinnable matchup, he didn't even win a single game, but he still won the series.

Liam:

Aura.

Abaan:

like, insane. He didn't win a single game of the of you just can't win a game, but he won a series. Like, how is that even possible? I

Liam:

you know how it's possible! Everybody who watched that knows how it's possible!

Abaan:

know, I know.

Cameron:

But if you remove Sandaconda,

Abaan:

though. They had to

Brent:

yeah.

Abaan:

rules. They're like, you have to win a game. You have to win, you have to physically win one game to win a series nowadays. Not Jason Klusinski, Ralph. your, has torrent changed in any rule other than like, yo, play faster? No.

Cameron:

pretty,

Liam:

Yeah, bro. All the

Cameron:

big

Liam:

new titles, that's bro. That's him.

Abaan:

Okay, okay. Fair enough.

Brent:

right, guys, uh, um, we gotta, we gotta call it so we can get this election night edition out, out the door. Um, any advice for people going to CUPS this weekend?

Abaan:

But yo, if you're going to have this format, if your locals, like, if they play Drago, then, or sorry, if they play Bolt, you can't play Drago, I guess, you could probably play Terropicus. But if there's no Bolt in sight, rip out that Drago. Look it up, bro. Kermit Shanoi, Limitless. Run that exact 60. there's

Liam:

If you're in the, uh, if you're in the Bay Area, unless you value second place, I wouldn't bother showing up. I'll say.

Abaan:

my god, bro. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

Cameron:

How many wins? How many Cub wins do you have? How many Cub wins do you have, Liam?

Liam:

got two right now.

Cameron:

talking mad things with only two Cub wins, bro. Oh, goodness. Gardevoir versus

Abaan:

did we talk about this off the show? We might have, yeah, so I

Brent:

Yeah, yeah, we talked about it off show.

Abaan:

it's me, Henry, and Josh Frake. We're on a call, we're gonna be playing Gardy versus, uh, Bradner, Drick, or Andrew Hedrick, and Michael Davidson. We may not have the name value, but, uh, we're gonna 4L these guys, so, uh, it's like a,

Brent:

What, what's Twitch stream? Do, do, do, do like a little more marketing? What do they gotta watch?

Abaan:

Uh, go to YouTube. com, just go to ZoolGG, that's where everyone

Brent:

Oh, okay, oh, it's a little slow. All right, good times.

Abaan:

yeah.

Cameron:

Veggie

Brent:

How do you guys feel about the fact that you're wild underdogs? That Michael Davidson is the third best in the country, and

Liam:

bro, got Henry Chow, Henry okay.

Cameron:

if they're underdog,

Liam:

Yeah.

Abaan:

you think you're under if we're underdogs and you'd like to take some side action, I'm very much open to it. Like, if you can somehow hit my line before 5. 30 EST tomorrow, I don't know how it's possible, I'm open to taking more action. I'll buy more of myself. I'm like, uh, who's that guy who got banned in the NFL for betting on games? Calvin Ridley or something? Is it Calvin Ridley? I'm down. ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Brent:

All right, guys, the John Pauls are our outro. That's a perfect note to end on.

Liam:

Oh my god.